In praise of China Christian capstones Yu Cidu (Dora Yu) 1873-1931, Margaret Emma Barber (1866-1930), & their acolyte Ni To-sheng (Watchman Nee) 1903-1972

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Margaret E. Barber
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dora_Yu

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Yu Cidu (Dora Yu) was a prominent Chinese evangelist in China in the first part of 20th century. Her revival ministry was particularly efficient among cultured upper-class people. Yu was trained in western medicine in Suzhou, and practiced briefly, doing work in Korea.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_missions_in_China_1807%E2%80%931953#Expansion.2C_setbacks.2C_questioning.2C_and_war_.281901.E2.80.931945.29

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_China#Popularity_and_indigenous_growth_.281900.E2.80.931925.29

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She then turned to evangelism. In one of her revival meeting in Church of Heavenly Peace, Fuzhou, in 1920, a young man called Watchman Nee, at the age of seventeen, experienced a powerful salvation and immediately consecrated himself to serve God full-time. Besides being Watchman Nee’s “spiritual mother,” Yu was also his mentor through whom he was introduced to fundamental biblical truths and to inner life experiences and apparently also converted several of the women who were important in his subsequent successes.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_E._Barber

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Margaret Emma Barber   was a British missionary in China. She was born in 1866 in Peasenhall, Suffolk, England, the daughter of Louis (a wheelwright) and Martha (née Gibbs) Barber. The family moved to 59 St Martins Lane Norwich around 1876 and established a Carriage Manufacturing business. The family home in Norwich (see georgeplunkett.co.uk for a view of 59 St Martins Lane) was opposite St Martins Parish church which was intensely evangelical in the 1880 – 90s and must have had an influence on the Barber family. During the course of her life, she lived in China twice to preach the Christian gospel. She left her home and traveled in a lonely way thousands of miles.Barber, who initially went to China as an Anglican, became an independent missionary with informal ties to the Plymouth Brethren. She is best known for her influence on Watchman Nee (Ni To-sheng).

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Life and Christian Ministry

Miss Barber was an Anglican missionary sent by the Church Missionary Society (C.M.S.) to the city of Fuzhou, Fujian, China where she taught in the Tau Su Girls’ High School (a school founded and operated by the Church of England) for seven years. Known as an excellent missionary, her co-missionaries became jealous of her and fabricated a serious charge which caused her to be recalled from the field. Miss Barber was famed for knowing the Lord in a deep and living way and she had deeply experienced the cross and practiced continually the lessons of the cross. For this reason, Miss Barber decided not to vindicate herself concerning the charges made against her. She remained at home in Great Britain until years later the chairman of the mission board became aware of the case against her and that it was misrepresented. Forcing her to tell the truth, Miss Barber told him the whole story and was fully vindicated before the mission board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_China_Inland_Mission_missionaries_in_China#Other_Protestant_agencies

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While she remained in England, Miss Barber came into contact with D.M. Panton, the editor of the Christian magazine, The Dawn. Panton was both a student of the word and one who began to see that denominationalism was evil in the sight of God. During 1907 Miss Barber became a member of Surrey Chapel and was also baptized at Surrey Chapel by full immersion. Through her relationship with Panton, Miss Barber also began to see the denominations as evil in the sight of God. Before the board could send her back to China, Miss Barber resigned from the mission, considering that it was the right time to do so, even though she felt led by God to return to China for the Lord’s interest. She returned to China in 1909 along with Miss Ballord not in connection with any mission, settling in a suburb of Fuzhou, with the spiritual support of Panton and the Surrey Chapel Mission Band, Norwich, where Panton ministered. Another congregant member of Surrey Chapel, Miss Ballord, accompanied her to China. The two women rented a house in Pagoda Anchorage where Barber lived until her death in 1930. Ballord continued to work in Pagoda Anchorage until 1950, when she returned to England. Barber lived with little traveling and no publicity. Rather, she was content to just remain home and pray much for the Lord’s move in China. She helped those who sought her counsel in seeking after the Lord, one of whom was Watchman Nee. Furthermore, Miss Barber lived by faith. She was not guaranteed regular funds from the Surrey Chapel Mission Band and had no outward means of support. One of Barber’s well-known characteristics was her anticipation of the second coming of Jesus Christ. * This is evident in the many poems (Her Poems were later adapted into Hymns) she wrote on waiting for Christ’s return. In one account given by Watchman Nee (concerning the eve of 1925):

Lord, will You really let the year 1925 pass away? Although it is the last day of the year, I still ask You to come today.

Barber died in 1930 in Anchorage Pagoda of Crohn’s disease. All of her belongings, which included little more than her old Bible with all her notes, were left to Watchman Nee. In the March 1930 issue of Watchman Nee’s periodical, ‘’The Present Testimony,’’ Nee made the following remarks concerning Miss Barber’s departure:

We feel most sorrowful concerning the news of the passing away of Miss barber in Lo-Hsing Pagoda, Fukien. She was one who was very deep in the Lord, and in my opinion, the kind of fellowship she had with the Lord and the kind of faithfulness she expressed to the Lord are rarely found on this earth.”

—Watchman Nee, ’’Watchman Nee: A Seer of the Divine Revelation in the Present Age.’’ Anaheim: Living Stream Ministry, 1991:18. Print.

Hymns

Barber did not leave behind any writings other than a small volume of poems (later changed into hymns) that was later published by Miss Ballord (Miss Ballord was not Her niece) in China. These compositions demonstrate her striving to live “in the Lord’s presence,” as well as her eager anticipation of Christ’s coming back. A stanza of Barber’s poem reads:

If the path I travel Lead me to the cross, If the way Thou chooset Lead to pain and loss, Let the compensation Daily, hourly, be Shadowless communion, Blessed Lord, with Thee.

Along the south China coast (in Foochow), she and others regularly taught a Bible class at “White Teeth Rock.”  There she had contact with Nee who was studying at Anglican Trinity College. Barber referred him to books by J. N. Darby, Madam Jeanne Guyon, Jessie Penn-Lewis, D. M. Panton, T. Austin Sparks, and of others, which had been of help to her. She also influenced others Chinese Christian leaders, including Leland Wang who later formed the Chinese Foreign Missionary Union.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchman_Nee

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Ni To-sheng (Watchman Nee)) was a church leader and Christian teacher who worked in China during the first half of the 20th century. In 1922, he initiated church meetings in Fuzhou that may be considered the beginning of the local churches. During his thirty years of ministry, Nee published many books expounding the Bible. He established churches throughout China and held many conferences to train Bible students and church workers. Following the Communist Revolution, Nee was persecuted and imprisoned for his faith and spent the last twenty years of his life in prison.

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Family and childhood

Watchman Nee was born on November 4, 1903, the third of nine children of Ni Weng-hsiu, a well-respected officer in the Imperial Customs Service, and Lin He-Ping (Peace Lin), who excelled as a child at an American-staffed Methodist mission school. During a stint at the Chinese Western Girls’ School in Shanghai to improve his English, Nee met Dora Yu, a young woman who gave up a potential career in medicine to serve as an evangelist and preacher. Since Nee’s parents were both Methodists, he was baptized by a bishop of the Methodist Church as an infant.

Early schooling

In 1916, at age 13, Nee entered the Church Missionary Society Vernacular Middle School in Fuzhou to begin his Western-style education. He then went on to the middle school at Trinity College in Fuzhou, where he demonstrated great intelligence and ambition, and consistently scored at the top of his class.

Salvation and training

In the spring of 1920, when Nee was 17, Dora Yu was invited to hold ten days of revival meetings in the Church of Heavenly Peace in Fuzhou. After Nee’s mother attended these meetings, she was moved to apologize to her son for a previous incident of unjust punishment. Her action impressed Nee so much that he determined to attend the next day’s evangelistic meetings to see what was taking place there. After returning from the meeting, according to Nee’s own account:

On the evening of 28th April, 1920, I was alone in my room, struggling to decide whether or not to believe in the Lord. At first I was reluctant but as I tried to pray I saw the magnitude of my sins and the reality and efficacy of Jesus as the Saviour. As I visualized the Lord’s hands stretched out on the cross, they seemed to be welcoming me and the Lord was saying, “I am waiting here to receive you.” Realizing the effectiveness of Christ’s blood in cleansing my sins and being overwhelmed by such love, I accepted him there. Previously I had laughed at people who had accepted Jesus, but that evening the experience became real for me and I wept and confessed my sins, seeking the Lord’s forgiveness. As I made my first prayer I knew joy and peace such as I had never known before. Light seemed to flood the room and I said to the Lord, “Oh, Lord, you have indeed been gracious to me.”

—Watchman Nee, Watchman Nee’s Testimony.

As a student at Trinity College Nee began to speak to his classmates concerning his salvation experience. Later, he recounted:

Immediately I started putting right the matters that were hindering my effectiveness, and also made a list of seventy friends to pray for daily. Some days I would pray for them every hour, even in class. When the opportunity came I would try to persuade them to believe in the Lord Jesus… With the Lord’s grace I continued to pray daily, and after several months all but one of the seventy persons were saved.

—Watchman Nee, Watchman Nee’s Testimony.

After his conversion, Nee desired to be trained as a Christian worker. He first attended Dora Yu’s Bible Institute in Shanghai, though he was still a high school student. However, he was dismissed due to his bad and lazy habits, such as sleeping in late. Eventually, Nee’s seeking to improve his character brought him into close contact with a British missionary Margaret E. Barber who became his teacher and mentor.   Nee would visit Barber on a weekly basis in order to receive spiritual help. Barber treated Nee as a young learner and frequently administered strict discipline. When she died in 1930, Barber left all of her belongings to Nee, who wrote:

We feel most sorrowful concerning the news of the passing away of Miss Barber in Lo-Hsing Pagoda, Fukien. She was one who was very deep in the Lord, and in my opinion, the kind of fellowship she had with the Lord and the kind of faithfulness she expressed to the Lord are rarely found on this earth.

—Watchman Nee, Watchman Nee: A Seer of the Divine Revelation in the Present Age.

Through Barber, Watchman Nee was introduced to the writings of D.M. Panton, Robert Govett, G.H. Pember, Jessie Penn-Lewis, T. Austin-Sparks, and others. In addition, he acquired books from Plymouth Brethren teachers like John Nelson Darby, William Kelly, and C.H. Mackintosh.   Eventually, his personal library encompassed over three thousand titles on church history, spiritual growth, and Bible commentary, and he became intimately familiar with the Bible through diligent study using many different methods. In the early days of his ministry, he is said to have spent one-third of his income on personal needs, one-third to assist others, and the remaining third on spiritual books. He was known for his ability to select, comprehend, discern, and memorize relevant material, and grasp and retain the main points of a book while reading.

Marriage

As a teenager, Nee fell in love with Charity Chang. Their two families had been friends for three generations. When Nee became a Christian, Charity ridiculed Jesus in Nee’s presence. This bothered him. Eventually, after much struggling, Nee felt he needed to give up on their relationship. Ten years later, after finishing her university education, Charity became a Christian. She attended church meetings in Shanghai in 1934. In 1934, during Nee’s fourth “Overcomer Conference” in Hangzhou, the two were married. Charity cared for Nee in his frequent illness and was the only visitor Nee was permitted during his imprisonment. They had no children.

Ministry

In 1936, before a group of fellow workers, Watchman Nee outlined the commission of his ministry:

From the time I was bedridden by illness until the time I was healed by God, I was being shown more clearly the kind of work God wanted me

  1. Literary Work: After my illness, God made it known to me that the primary purpose of His imparting messages to me was not for explaining the Scripture, nor for preaching the ordinary Gospel, nor for prophesying, but for laying stress on the living way of life… All that I have written has one aim, which is that the reader will, in the new creation, give himself wholly to God and become a useful person in His hands. Now I whole-heartedly commit my writings, my readers and myself to God, who preserves men for ever, and hope that His Spirit will guide me into all His truths.
  2. Meetings for the Overcomer: God opened my eyes to the necessity of raising up in churches at various places, a number of people who are victorious to be His witnesses… Therefore once every year a meeting for the victorious was held in which I faithfully proclaimed the messages which God has revealed to me.
  3. Building up Local Churches: When the Lord called me to serve Him, the prime object was not for me to hold revival meetings so that people may hear more Scriptural doctrines nor for me to become a great evangelist. The Lord revealed to me that He wanted to build up local churches in other localities to manifest Himself, to bear testimony of unity on the ground of local churches so that each saint may perform his duty in the Church and live the Church life. God wants not merely individual pursuit of victory or spirituality but a corporate, glorious Church presented to Himself.
  4. Youth Training: If the return of the Lord be delayed, it will be necessary to raise up a number of youths to continue the testimony and work for the next generation… My idea is not to establish a seminary or a Bible institute but to have the young people live a corporate life and practice spiritual life, that is, receive training for the purpose of edification and to learn to read the Scripture and to pray in order to build up good character. On the negative side, to learn how to deal with sin, the world, the flesh, natural life, and so on. At a suitable time they are to return to their respective churches to be tempered together with other saints to serve the Lord in the Church…

In future my personal burden and work will generally comprise these four aspects. May all the glory be to the Lord.

—Watchman Nee, Watchman Nee’s Testimony.

Nee began to write and publish at a very early age. In 1923, he began to publish the magazine The Present Testimony, and in 1925, he started another magazine entitled The Christian. It was also in 1925 when Nee changed his name from Ni Shu-tsu to Ni To-sheng (English translation: Watchman Nee). At age 21, Nee established the first “local church” in Sitiawan, Malaysia while visiting his mother, who had moved there from China. In 1926, Nee established up another local church in Shanghai, which became the center of his work in China. By 1932, Nee’s practice of meeting as local churches spread throughout China, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore. He maintained this pattern until his imprisonment. In 1928, Nee published a three-volume book entitled The Spiritual Man.  In February of the same year, Nee held his first “Overcomer Conference” in Shanghai.

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In January 1934, Nee called a special conference on the subjects of “Christ as the Centrality and Universality of God” and “The Overcomers.”

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According to Nee, this was a turning point for him in his ministry.

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He said, “My Christian life took a big turn from doctrines and knowledge to a living person, Christ, who is God’s centrality and universality.

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In February 1934, Nee gave a series of talks in which he defined and expounded the practice of the local churches, stating that in the Bible, the church is never divided into regions and never denominated based on a teaching or doctrine. These talks were eventually published in the book The Assembly Life. In May of the same year, Nee encouraged Witness Lee to move to Shanghai from Yantai in order to join him and Ruth Lee in their work editing Nee’s publications.

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From 1938 to 1938, Nee traveled to Europe and gave messages that were later published as The Normal Christian Life.  Upon his return, Nee gave a conference on the Body of Christ.

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According to Nee, this was the second turn in his ministry.

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Nee recounted, “My first turn was to know Christ, and my second turn was to know His Body.

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To know Christ is only half of what the believers need. The believers also must know the Body of Christ. Christ is the head, and He is also the Body.”    (blood on the cross is forgiveness for each sin/the body of Christ is deliverance from continuous sin)

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In 1939, Nee became involved with his second brother’s failing pharmaceutical company. Although acquiescing to family pressure, Nee also saw this as an opportunity to support his many co-workers who were suffering great poverty and hardship during the Second World War.  Nee took over full management of the factory, reorganized it, and began to employ many local church members from Shanghai. At this time, some of the elders from the church in Shanghai questioned Nee’s involvement in business, causing Nee to suspend his ministry in 1942. Shortly afterward, the church in Shanghai stopped meeting altogether. In March 6, 1945, Nee moved to Chongqing to oversee the factory there. There, he delivered a series of messages on Revelation 2 and 3 published as The Orthodoxy of the Church as well as messages on the Song of Songs. On September 9, 1945, the Japanese army surrendered in China, ending the Second Sino-Japanese War.   In 1946, Peace Wang and Witness Lee began to work to restore the church in Shanghai as well as Nee’s public ministry there. Nee purchased twelve bungalows at Kuling to hold trainings for his co-workers in the Christian work. By April 1948, a revival was brought to the church in Shanghai, and Nee resumed his ministry there. When he returned, Nee handed his pharmaceutical factory over to the Christian work as an offering to God, influencing many others to hand over their possessions to the work. Within a short time, the church in Shanghai grew to over 1000 members.

Persecution and imprisonment

After the rise of the Chinese Communist Party in 1949, Christians came under great persecution.    False charges and arrests were also brought against many foreign missionaries. Through intensive propaganda campaigns and threats of imprisonment, believers were influenced to accuse one another. On April 10, 1952, Watchman Nee was arrested by the Department of Public Security in Manzhouli, Manchuria and charged with bribery, theft of state property, tax evasion, cheating on government contracts, and stealing of government economic information. Nee was also “re-educated.”  On January 11, 1956, there was a nationwide sweep targeting the co-workers and elders in the local churches. Some died in labor camps, while others faced long prison sentences. On January 18, 1956, the Religious Affairs Bureau began twelve days of accusation meetings at the church assembly hall on Nanyang Road in Shanghai, in which many accusations were brought against Nee in large accusation meetings. On June 21, 1956, Nee appeared before the High Court in Shanghai, where it was announced that he had been excommunicated by the elders in the church in Shanghai and found guilty on all charges. He was sentenced to fifteen years imprisonment with reform by labor. Initially, he was detained at Tilanqiao Prison in Shanghai but was later moved to other locations. Only his wife, Charity, was allowed to visit him. On January 29, 1956, Public Security took over the Nanyang Road building, and many of Nee’s co-workers were arrested, put into isolation, and forced to repudiate Watchman Nee. Some co-workers joined in the accusation of Watchman Nee while others, such as Peace Wang, Ruth Lee, and Yu Chenghua remained silent and were punished with life imprisonment. Following this, mass accusation meetings were held across the country to condemn the “anti-revolutionary sect of Watchman Nee.”

Later imprisonment and death

One year before Nee’s death in 1972, his wife, Charity, died due to an accident and high blood pressure; Nee was not allowed to attend her funeral. Charity’s eldest sister then took the responsibility to care for Nee in prison.   Nee was scheduled for release in 1967 but was detained in prison until his death on May 30, 1972.   There was no announcement of his death nor any funeral. His remains were cremated on June 1, 1972 before his family arrived at the prison. Nee’s grandniece recounted the time when she went to pick up Nee’s ashes:

In June 1972, we got a notice from the labor farm that my granduncle had passed away. My eldest grandaunt and I rushed to the labor farm. But when we got there, we learned that he had already been cremated. We could only see his ashes… Before his departure, he left a piece of paper under his pillow, which had several lines of big words written in a shaking hand. He wanted to testify to the truth which he had even until his death, with his lifelong experience. That truth is—“Christ is the Son of God who died for the redemption of sinners and resurrected after three days. This is the greatest truth in the universe. I die because of my belief in Christ. Watchman Nee.” When the officer of the labor farm showed us this paper, I prayed that the Lord would let me quickly remember it by heart… My granduncle had passed away. He was faithful until death. With a crown stained with blood, he went to be with the Lord. Although Nee did not fulfill his last wish, to come out alive to join his wife, the Lord prepared something even better—they were reunited before the Lord.

—Watchman Nee’s grandniece, ‘’Watchman Nee: A Seer of the Divine Revelation in the Present Age’’.

Beliefs

Nee believed in the verbal inspiration of the Bible and that the Bible is God’s Word. He also believed that God is triune, Father, Son, and Spirit, distinctly three, yet fully one, co-existing and coinhering each other from eternity to eternity. He believed that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, even God Himself, incarnated as a man with both the human life and the divine life, that He died on the cross to accomplish redemption, that he rose bodily from the dead on the third day, that He ascended into heaven and was enthroned, crowned with glory, and made the Lord of all, and that He will return the second time to receive His followers, to save Israel, and to establish His millennial kingdom on the earth. He believed that every person who believes in Jesus Christ will be forgiven by God, washed by His redeeming blood, justified by faith, regenerated by the Holy Spirit, and saved by grace. Such a believer is a child of God and a member of the Body of Christ. He also believed that the destiny of every believer is to be an integral part of the church, which is the Body of Christ and the house of God.

Publications

In addition to speaking frequently before many audiences, Watchman Nee authored various books, articles, newsletters, and hymns. Most of his books were based on notes taken down by students during his spoken messages. Some books were compiled from messages published previously in his periodicals. Watchman Nee’s best known book in English is The Normal Christian Life, which is based on talks he delivered in English during a trip to Europe in 1938 and 1939. There he expressed theological views on the New Testament book of Romans. Some of Watchman Nee’s best known books include:

  • The Spiritual Man (1928)
  • Concerning Our Missions (1939)
  • The Song of Songs (1945)
  • The Breaking of the Outer Man and the Release of The Spirit (1950)
  • The Normal Christian Life (1957)
  • Sit, Walk, Stand (1957)
  • What Shall this Man Do? (1961)
  • Love Not the World (1968)

In addition to publishing his own books, other spiritual publications were translated from English and published under Watchman Nee’s oversight. These included books by T. Austin-Sparks, Madame Guyon, Mary E. McDonough, Jessie Penn-Lewis, and others.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_church#House_Church_Movement

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A modern day example of the house church movement is the group known as “the local churches” which began in China with Watchman Nee and spread all over the world through Nee’s co-worker, Witness Lee. The local churches have grown to over hundreds of thousands meeting together according to the New Testament pattern of Christian meeting and have been commended by several Christian leaders in the United States.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord%27s_Recovery#Brief_History

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The Principle of Recovery

Watchman Nee taught that God was always moving to first establish something, and when it was damaged by Satan, God would move a second time to recover what was lost. This happened first in creation. According to Nee the record of God creating the universe is in Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” The next verse continues with, “And the earth became waste and empty,” indicating something was lost in the original creation. Then the heavens and the earth were “recovered” in six days beginning with “God moved upon the face of the waters.” Similarly the Jewish temple was built by Solomon and then destroyed and subsequently recovered when the Jewish remnant returned from Babylon to Jerusalem as recorded in Ezra and Nehemiah.

Brief History

Although recoveries occurred before the Reformation, Nee taught that God’s greatest recoveries occurred from the sixteenth century onwards, beginning with justification by faith through Martin Luther. The recovery then went on with the Anabaptists who baptized those justified by faith; John Calvin who established the Scottish Presbyterian Church; Philipp Jakob Spener who led his followers into the practice of 1 Corinthians 14; Christian David, Count Zinzendorf. and the Moravian Brethren who were among the first to evangelize worldwide; Miguel de Molinos who wrote ‘’Spiritual Guide’’; Madame Guyon who contributed to the matters of the union with God’s will and the denial of the self; Father François Fénelon worked with Madame Guyon to release many spiritual messages; the church in “Philadelphia;” Gottfried Arnold taught on outward practices of the meeting of the church; John Wesley, Charles Wesley, and George Whitefield recovered the matters of salvation, eradication of sin, sanctification, and open-air preaching; Bible expositors among the Brethren http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Brethren  such as John Nelson Darby, Edward Cronin and Anthony Norris Groves, William Kelly, Charles Henry Mackintosh, Benjamin Wills Newton, and John Gifford Bellett; Charles Stanley; George Cutting who wrote ‘’Safety, Certainty, and Enjoyment;’’ Robert Govett who taught on the matter of Christian reward; Bibles expositors such as George Hawkins Pember, David Morrieson Panton, Hudson Taylor; George Müller who taught on prayer and faith in God’s word; Some among the Christian and Missionary Alliance such as Albert Benjamin Simpson and A. J Gordon who taught practiced living by faith and divine healing; Robert Pearsall Smith who taught that sanctification came through consecration and faith; Mrs. Hannah Whitall Smith who wrote ‘’The Christian’s Secret of a Happy Life’’; others such as Stocknell, Evan Hopkins, and Andrew Murray, who wrote ‘’The Spirit of Christ,’’ continued what Guyon’s denial of the self and began conferences that led to the Keswick Convention; H. C. Trumbull who spoke on the overcoming life at the Keswick Convention; Mrs. Jessie Penn-Lewis who wrote ‘’War on the Saints’’ and taught about the cross of Christ with help of the writings of Guyon; and Brother Holden who experienced and taught lessons on the cross with help from Penn-Lewis’ teachings. Watchman Nee and Witness Lee considered themselves as beneficiaries of this “recovery” and believed that they were part of its continuation. Others considered as part of the Lord’s recovery are Johann Arndt, Theodore Austin-Sparks, Margaret E. Barber, Bernard of Clairvaux, Jacob Boehme, Peter Böhler, John Bunyan, Brother Lawrence (Nicholas Herman), Jan Hus, George Henry Lang, William Law, Dwight Lyman Moody, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, William Tyndale, John Wycliffe, Aiden Wilson Tozer, and many others.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessie_Penn-Lewis#Welsh_revival

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Mrs. Jessie Penn-Lewis was influenced by the Dutch Reformed, South African writer Andrew Murray among others, and her books contain quotes from him and references to his works.

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Ultimately, Penn-Lewis declared some of phenomena of the Welsh Revival to be the work of Satan, declaring her still controversial position in her book on spiritual warfare called War on the Saints, which describes the work of demons on Christians, the theme for which Penn-Lewis is most known.

 

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Jane Leade’s mysticism/Holy Spirit akin to the greatest Apostle on intuition, John of the Gospel (revelation of the ascension of Christ), along w/Jane Leade’s forebearers Jakob Bohme & John Pordage   — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Leade#The_vision

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Apostle Paul was a great mystic along with the inner sanctum of apostles John/James/Peter (Peter got the revelation later), but unquestionably apostle John was the most intuitive, with apostle Paul being the most educated via schooling (Jewish theocratic law).

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A forerunner of Watchman Nee   — Edmund Hamer Broadbent 1861-1945

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Hamer_Broadbent

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The Pilgrim Church, first published in 1931, is still in print. The Pilgrim Church is an alternative history of the church, unrecorded by secular history. It covers the history of many small churches throughout the ages that have attempted to follow the New Testament church pattern, the success of those that followed the pattern laid out by the apostles and the consequences to the churches that fell away from the pattern. Author Edmund Hamer Broadbent looks at many groups such as the Paulicians, the Bogomils, the Nestorians, the Waldensians, the Anabaptists, the Hutterites, the Methodists, the Russian Mennonites and the Mennonite Brethren.  Broadbent classified early primitive churches to Anabaptist, and to Moravian Brethren were historical Brethren Movement.

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from Watchman Nee acolyte & chief Biblical scholar Cliff Livermore born 1941   —

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For a long time now I have been concerned by the legalism that is rampant on the Big Island.

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Romans 7 plainly teach that we died to the law in Christ so that we may be married to God and receive His life.

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Galatians 4 say that when we try to fulfill the law we come under a curse and become separated from God.

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Romans 8 say that Christ fulfills the law in us by His spirit. * The book of Hebrews is the divine interpretation of the Old Testament and shows how Christ fulfilled it as the high priest and by Christ’s spirit fulfills this in our hearts and life. This is the new covenant.     Hebrews 13:8,20-21.

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Romans 11:6 say it is grace alone not works — they are opposed to one another — God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and bear in us the fruit of the spirit.

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Amazing Grace is by far my favorite hymn.

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I did try works and failed.

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Christ has and is setting me free.

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I am standing fast in the liberty wherein Christ has set me free.

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Three excellent books have blessed me in this matter  —

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Watchman Nee’s The Normal Christian Life,

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The Two Covenants by Andrew Murray (1828-1917),

(there are to be found two classes of Christians. Some are content with the mingled life, half flesh and half spirit, half self-effort and half grace. Others are not content with this, but are seeking with their whole heart to know to the full what the deliverance from sin and what the abiding full power for a walk in God’s presence is, which the New Covenant has brought and can give. God help us all to be satisfied with nothing less.     http://www.biblestudytools.com/classics/murray-two-covenants-and-second-blessing/chapter-ii.html  )

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and The Holiest of All: An Exposition of the Epistle to the Hebrews, also by Andrew Murray.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Murray_(minister)

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Andrew Murray’s alter ego was German theologian Johann Christoph Blumhardt, who was 23 yrs. older than Murray.

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Blumhardt said that miracles are meaningless unless their message is clear. http://www.plough.com/en/ebooks/t/thy-kingdom-come

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This precisely is what Cliff Livermore says.

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Biblical realism a la Blumhardt acolytes Murray & Søren Kierkegaard redux Blumhardt’s motto: “We have seen long enough what the devil is doing, now we also want to see what Jesus can do.” https://sites.google.com/site/davidkeames2/blumhardt%27sbattle

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This again is what Cliff Livermore says.

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Reprise Cliff Livermore’s Jesus-driven life that what counts as righteousness is completely and totally turned on its head!  (e.g. Luke 18:9-14)(Greek metanoia)   Jesus does not begin with an abstract notion of God or Platonic metaphysics, but with the Creator God whom he knows as loving, nurturing, and caring for all persons regardless of their moral condition, their politics, their ethnic background or their social or economic status. God cares for everyone equally and alike.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/peterenns/2014/04/what-does-god-without-retribution-look-like-ask-jesus-michael-hardin-part-3/

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Blumhardt said that God’s Kingdom has been inaugurated in Jesus Christ, and that through the Holy Spirit — the church and all of humanity are empowered for participation in the personal, social, and cosmic reconciliation that is breaking in — the embodied presence of God in creation within Blumhardt’s intense eschatological expectation of the inbreaking power of the kingdom of God. http://www.academia.edu/5121876/Before_Bloch_there_was_Blumhardt_a_thesis_on_the_origins_of_the_theology_of_hope

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But the unifying theme of the Old Testament also is the “breaking in of the kingdom of God.”   This theme helps the reader better understand not only the New Testament, but also the Old Testament, the continuity of the entire Bible, and ultimately, God himself. —

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310218977/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0310218977&linkCode=as2&tag=inspirandinca-20

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Blumhardt also evoked the lost horizons of Christian faith: Genuine worldliness, true humanness, simple naturalness, and the “wide space” of the Spirit in the dawn of the kingdom of God.’

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I take these precepts to be like another Murray acolyte/Biblical scholar Don Hardy’s buzzline: Eat Jesus.

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Yes, cogent Don Hardy born 1931 follows along the blueblood pedigree genealogy of mysterious/mystical/miraculous forebearers-alter egos Blumhardt & devotee Murray.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Christoph_Blumhardt

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Blumhardt’s alter ego is John Bunyan 1628-1688, author of the most famous published Christian allegory — Pilgrim’s Progress (1678).    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bunyan#The_Pilgrim.27s_Progress

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The Pilgrim’s Progress was considered the most widely read and translated book in the English language apart from the Bible.  The charm of the work, which gives it wide appeal among old and young, learned and ignorant, readers of all possible schools of thought and theology, lies in the interest of a story in which the intense imagination of the writer makes characters, incidents, and scenes alike live in the imagination of his readers as things actually known and remembered by themselves, in its touches of tenderness and quaint humour, its bursts of heart-moving eloquence, and its pure, nervous, idiomatic English. Macaulay has said, “Every reader knows the straight and narrow path as well as he knows a road on which he has been backwards and forwards a hundred times,” and he adds that “In England during the latter half of the seventeenth century there were only two minds which possessed the imaginative faculty in a very eminent degree. One of these minds produced the Paradise Lost, the other The Pilgrim’s Progress.”

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The images Bunyan uses in Pilgrim’s Progress are reflections of images from his own world; the strait gate is a version of the wicket gate at Elstow church, the Slough of Despond is a reflection of Squitch Fen, a wet and mossy area near his cottage in Harrowden, the Delectable Mountains are an image of the Chiltern Hills surrounding Bedfordshire. Even his characters, like the Evangelist as influenced by John Gifford, are reflections of real people. This pilgrimage was not only real for Bunyan as he lived it, but his portrait evoked this reality for his readers. Rudyard Kipling once referred to Bunyan as “the father of the novel, salvation’s first Defoe.” Bunyan wrote about 60 books and tracts, of which The Holy War ranks next to The Pilgrim’s Progress in popularity. A passage from Part Two of The Pilgrim’s Progress beginning “Who would true Valour see” has been used in the hymn “To be a Pilgrim.” The Scottish philosopher David Hume used Bunyan to illustrate the idea of a “standard of taste” in aesthetic matters: ‘Whoever would assert an equality of genius and elegance between Ogilby and Milton, or Bunyan and Addison, would be thought to defend no less an extravagance, than if he had maintained a mole-hill to be as high as Teneriffe, or a pond as extensive as the ocean.’ (Hume, “Of the Standard of Taste”, originally published in his Four Dissertations (1757).)
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The explicit Protestant theology of The Pilgrim’s Progress made it much more popular than its predecessors. Bunyan’s plain style breathes life into the abstractions of the anthropomorphized temptations and abstractions that Christian encounters and with whom he converses on his course to Heaven. Samuel Johnson said that “this is the great merit of the book, that the most cultivated man cannot find anything to praise more highly, and the child knows nothing more amusing.” Three years after its publication (1681), it was reprinted in colonial America, and was widely read in the Puritan colonies. Because of its explicit English Protestant theology The Pilgrim’s Progress shares the then popular English antipathy toward the Roman Catholic Church. It was published over the years of the Popish Plot (1678–1681) and ten years before the Glorious Revolution of 1688, and it shows the influence of John Foxe‘s Acts and Monuments —  Foxe 1516-1587 an alter ego to Bunyan.
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John Bunyan 1628-1688   (Blumhardt’s forebearer)
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John Foxe 1516-1587   (Bunyan’s alter ego)    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Foxe

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http://www.reviewjournal.com/columns-blogs/steven-kalas/knowing-when-dream-when-let-dreams-go

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Not every dream comes true.

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Sometimes because our dreams overreach the miserable human condition (ideals of great love).

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Sometimes our dreams overreach immutable realities (my body simply wasn’t designed to fly like a bird).

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The good life, then, requires us to tightrope this paradox: We must never stop dreaming … yet also we must learn to say goodbye to some dreams.

If we stop dreaming, our lives become one-dimensional, static, not fully alive. If we don’t know how and when to say goodbye to a dream, we get stuck in embittered, nostalgic quicksand.

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http://www.reviewjournal.com/columns-blogs/steven-kalas/limits-vs-limitless-freedom-choice-life

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James Kavanaugh publishes “Celebrate the Sun: A Love Story.” In it we meet protagonist Harry Langendorf Pelican. Like his seagull compatriot, Harry rejects the ordinary life of a pelican and reaches outward for his own potential. Like Jonathan, Harry falls into disfavor from family and friends. He considers his willingness to suffer the disfavor as a measure of his depth, commitment and bravery.

Then Harry’s mother dies. And Harry is confronted with limits. No amount of affirming our life’s potential or hurling ourselves boldly in that potential changes the fact that there is, in the end, no such thing as limitless freedom.

The most joyous human freedoms emerge, paradoxically, from surrender to limits.

Kavanaugh’s book critiques Bach’s book. And I knew I must choose. And I did, finally, choose. I decided. I know it sounds like a riddle, but I decided there is ever-so-much more potential for freedom in limits. I began to see the idea of limitlessness as … limiting.

Bach says, “You have the freedom to be yourself, your true self — here and now. And nothing can stand in your way.”

I concluded, “Oh, actually tons of things can stand in your way. That’s the wonder and joy of it: the journey of finding authentic selfhood when so many things are standing in the way.”

Bach says, “If you love someone, set them free. If they come back, they’re yours. If they don’t, they never were.”

I concluded, “If you love someone, choose them with your whole heart! Never stop having high expectations of him/her, or of yourself!”

Bach says, “If you argue for your limitations, you get to keep them.”

I concluded, “Yes, many limitations are in fact self-imposed. Rethink those, for sure. But other limitations are immutable. We’re mortal. We age, weaken and die. We suffer. We grieve. We cannot will our own goodness. We cannot, no matter what we achieve, ever be wiser or stronger than The Mystery. Life will continue to happen, independent of our striving to be the sole author of our fate.”

Humility is the doorway to all the greatest treasures of the human experience.

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https://curtisnarimatsu.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/i-have-this-other-relentless-competing-identity-too-a-sin-nature-entitled-hedonistic-self-preserving-frequently-aggrandized-capable-of-blithe-selfishness-and-disturbing-disregard-the-un/

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reversal of expectation — harumph (disbelief)!!  (in praise of Mr. Harumph  — ergo Cliff Livermore)

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harumph

Interjection An expression of disdain, disbelief, protest, or dismissal; a huff, grunt, or snort.
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When asked if “addiction is the price of fame (fame means rumor/gossip), talent,  and celebrity (to celebrate, a positive uplifter) status,” Robin Williams responded: “It’s the price of drugs, actually. Most of the time with drugs if you’re famous, they give them to you. It’s good for business to say that they get you high.”     Robin Williams: ‘Celebrity itself is a drug’

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Robin Williams: ‘Celebrity itself is a drug’

Before his death, Williams opened up about drugs in Hollywood.
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My incredulous mind-blowing moments with Mr. Harumph, Cliff Livermore:

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Me:   “So what, brah’ (“brother” in local lingo), you no (don’tunderstand people — dis’ why you no (don’t) belong to groups — ergo Ohana Church’s leader Ezekiel Tomaselli who banned Cliff because of Cliff’s ‘intemperate attitude’ — like you should????”

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Cliff (in Cliff’s sonorous stentorian bellow):   “Well, no, actually.   My problem is that I do understand.  And that I know why I understand (why I don’t belong like I should).”  Harumph.   (Cliff’s immensely Jesus change agent driven brilliance of Cliff’s intuitive grasp of the ascension of Christ  — yeah, this is Cliff at Cliff’s mystic best, baby-O!!)         🙂

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Sinai, Zion   —  Mount Sinai or Mount Zion?     Thanks, Cliff!!

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Attitude is everything!!   In praise of Cliff Livermore    —

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To unbelievers in Christ, Cliff Livermore reeks of excessive self-absorption and blowhard excretion.   Biblical Simon here fits Cliff’s “outer” description.

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http://www.lawofliberty.com/sermons/Resources/01-fromsimontopeter.pdf

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“For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing — foolishness — but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”   (1 Corinthians 1:18)   

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Paul’s words in Romans 1:14:

“I am debtor both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to wise and to foolish  (e.g. ‘unbelievers’).”

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Our Heavenly Father tells us in John 15:16:

“You did not choose Me, but I chose you, and I set you that you should go forth and bear fruit.”

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Jesus died on the cross to accomplish redemption and then victoriously resurrected from the dead. Right after this, He told His disciples,

“Go therefore and disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” (Matthew 28:19)

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Whether or not we feel like speaking for Christ, God  commissions us to witness for Him to everyone. In this, our preference or opinion has no place. His Word clearly charges us to go and disciple all the nations.

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Biblical Jonathan’s love for David exemplifies the highest regard which believers in Christ have for cogent disciple Cliff Livermore.

[DOC]What do Relationships Affect Us the Way that They Do

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Alexander Pope’s couplets are “to die for!”  (of everlasting comfort).

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Next to Shakespeare, Pope is  Great Britain’s greatest writer/literateur.     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pope

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Remember Pope’s couplet   “to err is human, to forgive is divine?”      http://www.quotecounterquote.com/2010/12/to-err-is-human-to-forgive-divine.html

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If not for William Tyndale’s translation of the Bible from Latin to English 30 years before Shakespeare was born, for which Tyndale was murdered by the Roman Catholic Church (the Papacy is God, not God himself), there would be no Shakespeare or Pope, both of whom composed their greatest body of work based on the Body of Christ (the Bible).

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Which leads up to today’s greatest couplet-eer, Cliff Livermore!!

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 Not only does Cliff cockle on about his coupling art of creation — crudely coined by others as  coitus –

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1.  Curt, I don’t give a rat’s ass (to whom you liken me in Scripture — ergo Simon Peter)!!

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2.  I don’t have an identity problem!!!!    (I belong to Jesus!!)

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from Cliff Livermore’s wonderfully realistic and sensible editor/clarifier   —

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Exactly!!    I also have compared Cliff to Simon Peter.

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God chose Cliff, not the other way around.

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Excellent description of Cliff!

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Yes, this is the Cliff we know and love.

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We have to reel Cliff in sometimes, but he is very good to repent and start over.

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I actually feel very bad about something I did. My query to you about Cliff was not intended to go to him…and I hope it didn’t make him angry/hurt. I really just wanted an opinion about how a a narrative might be received if it’s framed one way or another way. My (copy reader)  feels that I shouldn’t have sent anything at all on the matter… so my apologies if I have started something that shouldn’t have gone around. I probably dug myself in deeper by including Cliff in the response to you, as I didn’t want to leave him out once he’d been included.

Sorry for any trouble,
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My main concern about sending  out drafts willy-nilly before due time is that the miraculous/mystical parts of it might be reworked for someone else’s agenda and thus derailed.  (my reaction: Scripture annotation is our indestructible capstone  — no one can rework Scripture  — no one)

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To (Cliff’s editor/clarifier) on your supposition about Cliff Livermore’s frail countenance:

being human   — honest frailty is inherent in our DNA

Cliff emboldens on being everyone’s Exhibit A of redemption.    Cliff does not want to be everyone’s pagan fairy tale  — where miracles manifest, then belief in the superhuman takes hold.   Drama’s correct endpoint is love forevermore springwelled by faith (Jesus’ blood of our new creation/Jesus’ living water of God’s holy spirit e.g. 1 Cor. 15:10).   Faith, then signs.   Not the other way around — not signs, then faith (idolatry).

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Cliff had what I secularly describe as an orgasmic experience of being honestly human when I told Cliff last week that

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Of course, I took a spin from an erudite gifted wordsmith (another autobio author Pali’s copy reader)  — who used the word God instead of Jesus in my anecdote here.   Cliff’s climactic endpoint — beet-red face band-aided by the widest grin this side of the Pacific Ocean!   Aha!! Gotcha, Cliff!!

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from Cliff’s editor   —

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“Because the guy (Cliff) can’t help himself!!”               🙂       

http://www.reviewjournal.com/columns-blogs/steven-kalas

The original foursome dissolves. And Frankie Valli spends the next years recording and performing to pay off Tommy’s debt.
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And that’s when the jolt happens. Frankie’s girlfriend barks, “Why would you be a friend to a guy like that?”

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And Frankie barks back, “Because he can’t help himself!”

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And I think about that verbal exchange for days on end.

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See, my industry (behavioral health) coined ideas like “codependency” and “enabling” and “boundaries” to admonish us never (or virtually never) to rescue someone from destructive or irresponsible behavior.

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What if real love is obliged to the bond of friendship despite the flaws?

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In some cases, because of the flaws?

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There remains a sense of something owed.

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This is not codependence or enabling or poor boundaries.

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Makes me think of a friend of mine who thinks another friend of mine is a not-very-nice person. I understand the first friend’s point of view, and even in some ways agree. But once, long ago, this not-so-nice person extended to me an act of such unmerited kindness and encouragement, forging a bond between us.

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I never forget the Book of Esther (4:14).     Mordecai reminds Esther:   If you’re not willing or able to be used for good by God, God will pick someone else who shall do God’s work.   I thank nurturant Lester Chun for summoning Esther.

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Cliff Livermore asks Jesus to heal people.  Cliff does not have any power to heal.    Still,  I’m not going to ease into a chair & be useless to all around me.   I try to make a difference for the better, instead of my not lifting a finger to comfort another.  I help Cliff.  I’m available.

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Help includes standing in the gap (Ezekiel 22:30), so to speak, however absurd & tragic it appears (risk of false hope/expectation).

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But there’s a big difference between carrying a cross (Luke 9:23) and being crucified on one  — namely,  nails.

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Being crucified with Christ means to nail thru one’s soul to the point of death (of sinful self).    Thank you, Christian mystic and pastor Robert Gomes.  

 

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-c-crosby-dmin/the-three-nails-in-christs-cross_b_2980159.html

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Like Nora Lam (For Those Tears), Cliff Livermore is not afraid of men, and shall not die a martyr, because Cliff shall not die (spiritually)   —

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 in Nora Lam’s autobiography, China Cry, Neng Yee (Nora Lam)  claimed she was sentenced to death by firing squad but miraculously survived  —

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_Lam#Interrogation.2C_Firing_Squad.2C_and_Escape

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In tribute to blind child from birth Anuhea of Papa’aloa  (Jesus, please heal her, per Cliff)

Jesus brought Grace & Immortality  — and God has the antichrist to destroy the antichrist’s own religion  — truth then separates from lie organically (alive, not dead)  — meanwhile, long (needful) suffering is about our enduring faith in God, whereas needless suffering is about our trespasses of the flesh.

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Martin Luther:  Do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong (sin boldly), but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign.

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Like Cliff Livermore, traditional Christian theologians say that apostles Paul and James held the same beliefs:  James’ talk of works referred to works that God produced in Christians as evidence of conversion (as Paul himself assumes that works will follow faith).  Paul did not discount the importance of works (citing passages such as Romans 6 and 8) and James was not referring to ceremonial works of the Torah (citing the fact that at the Council of Jerusalem, James declared that only a small portion of the Torah should be applied to Gentile converts).    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_the_Just#Modern_interpretation

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The problem with pastors like Brian Banks is that Brian Banks is all law,   ergo form over function, style over substance a la the ancient & today’s Pharisees (Jewish & today’s so-called religious Christians), who do nothing but write conscriptions and not practice what edicts they preach   — actually, Brian tries to reinvent the wheel (redundant) by writing all day/nite long w/no regard for practicing what he preaches.    All logos/word, not rhema/the holy (spirit).    Seventh Day Adventists/Jehovah Witnesses/Baptists like Ezekiel Tomaselli  —  are long on the word, short on the rhema.

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Just as apostle Peter was the fishing (initial) ministry, &  apostle Paul was the completing (next in timeline order) ministry (complete the word of God),  and apostle John was the (3rd in timeline order) mending/healing ministry, just the same apostle James was the subsequent  transition ministry (Jews first came to Christ, not the Gentiles)      http://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?xid=6DIC2S93YCXON      Grace exemplified via John & then Peter (Gentiles)

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The problem with Cliff, per Pharisees, is that Cliff is in the driver’s seat  — “play church” isn’t what’s  going to continue to  “come down the pike.”    Rather, the inbreaking Kingdom of God shall be here in due time, and Cliff is cracking the false foundation stones of the Pharisees to herald the Kingdom of God.

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In Mark 3:22, the Pharisees accuse Jesus of driving out demons by the power of Beelzeboul, prince of demons, the name also appearing in the expanded version in Matthew 12:24,27 and Luke 11:15, 18–19. The name also occurs in Matthew 10:25

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beelzebub#New_Testament       (the worst of the worst — the overarching deadliest sin of overpride)

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Beelzebub as depicted in Collin de Plancy‘s Dictionnaire Infernal (Paris, 1863).   (Lord of the Flies)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies#Plot

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1IzUbFMDGc

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Cliff Livermore’s narrative articulates predicament which compels us to connect with each other

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Obsession vs. redemption.   Sign (stop sign) vs. symbol (metaphor  — Bible’s vine & branch).   Annihilation vs. immortality.  

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When the human ego conscripts the language, the work and the mantle of self-respect, you start to feel really good and right about discarding people from your life.

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Self-respect and self-importance — not the same at all. But they can feel the same.

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Why can’t I be like you or in sync with you?

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https://curtisnarimatsu.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/idyllic-imperatives-in-this-tragic-and-indifferent-life/

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kate-forsyth/fairy-tales-book_b_5813154.html?utm_hp_ref=books

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On the fad of others’ autobiographies (such as Pali’s) and the necessity of tamping down resultant ego amplification   –

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“Serrano: Yes. I wanted to be able to travel abroad, particularly in the United States. And you, Pali,  were able to …God knew you were able to fulfill that dream of my coming to the U.S. ….a lot of people followed. … The word that you heard from God. And you helped me to follow.”

Granted, Serrano’s surrender/glorious attitude to Jesus resulted in Serrano’s upward mobility by vessel Pali.    How does Serrano’s testimony relate to Pali’s miracles?   Do Bible verses link individual miracles (such as Pali’s) with Jesus’ blessings bestowed upon others (such as Serrano)?   Do theological tracts clarify blessings bestowed upon couplet (Pali/Serrano) shepherds and sheep?    These questions trigger  readers’ interest, not the individual miracles and Pali’s self-character-driven confirmations.

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from Pali’s copy reader:

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I’m still thinking about this question. We had a similar question about Fred’s  African testimony. The recording was so full of extra noise that I just couldn’t figure out what he was talking about.  Pali  was so excited about putting it in, but the more that Jim and I discussed it, the more convinced we were that it just didn’t go even if the miracles were BIG in it.
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I thought we’d have a fight on our hands with Pali  because Pali’s  heart was so set on it.

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However, the miracles according to Jim did not seem to connect with any larger purpose than just to awe somebody, they couldn’t be verified by anyone else, and they led back to a group of people who are big on miracles

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Fortunately, Pali said it was fine to scrap it! Just like THAT! Thank God.

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Pali really is like Simon Peter, as you said. Truly. He belongs to the Lord in spite of (and not because of) himself.           🙂

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There actually was a question I wanted to ask you last evening and I forgot exactly what it was. But I’m wondering about Pali sending his transcripts to any and everyone.

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What do you think is the interest a non-believer would have in Pali’s story?

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In praise of incredibly intuitive mystical pastor Robert Gomes    –

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Pastor Robert Gomes’ wife of unparalleled equanimity/balance/composure/compassion — Pastor Donna Mae Respicio Gomes look-alike   –

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Christian mystic Pastor Robert George Gomes and his dearest wife Donna Mae Respicio Gomes serve us through Jesus at their beautiful quaint worship chapel and grounds at their gathering place, The Lord is My Shepherd Ministries  at Hilo’s 507 East Lanikaula St. near the junction of where East Lanikaula St. meets Kanoelehua Ave.

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They are behind the Embroid Me shop at the same address.   You cannot see their church grounds from Lanikaula St.    You drive on the right hand lane side of the Embroid Me shop to get to Pastors Robert and Donna Mae Gomes’ ranch style country church.

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They have their Lord’s Day gathering and services every Saturday at 10:00 a.m. that usually complete at 12 noon.  Their phone number is (808) 961-3737.    Enjoy our Lord’s Day every day via shepherds Pastors Robert and Donna Mae Gomes.

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To me, Pastor Robert Gomes connects mystically with Christ, the Son of God,

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which is why Pastor Robert Gomes sees both atomic (smallest particles) and cosmic (largest impact) patterns in the Word  (Logos – pronounced like “low-dose”) and via the Spirit  (Rhema — pronounced as “ray-ma”) (sword and obedience are Torah couplets on the atomic scale) (Pastor Robert Gomes is like John the Revelator who processes that we are spared from cosmic eternal torment of being born lost  —  by way of the revelation of the ascension of Christ  — John the Revelator also is well the willing martyr — martyr means to “witness to”  —  the most authentic  way to witness to Truth is to die for it when necessary  — John 18:37   obey God http://www.bibleversestudy.com/johngospel/john18.htm   ).

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Like Apostle Paul (completing –the Word of God — ministry), Pastor Robert Gomes does not play church, so to speak  — but instead avoids “natural thinking” presumptions (fleshly overpride/vanity/envy/jealousy) by stepping out (as Jesus did) in the world and taking risks of harm (by saving lost souls and those possessed of the spirit of unbelief) as the tests which need to be met in our authentic walk in Christ.

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Pastor Robert Gomes knows the truth about men and flesh  — born lost — and thus Pastor Robert is deemed alarming and dangerous to religious Christians (milk of the Word as opposed to righteousness of the Word) who cherry pick verses even to longtime “walking/waking dead” disciples  —  to sugar coat sin (forgiveness means that I can sin and sin again and again) and repentance (just say I’m sorry  — no need to extinguish our old self/natural ways) and Satan himself (die and go to heaven   — death, physical/spiritual —  itself is not the eternal fate for lost souls).

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The catcher is the one who’ll say

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that the tree of knowledge of good and evil is (not are) the tree of

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humanity’s thirst for lust

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(of sex/fame/fortune),

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ergo that good and evil are inherent in us all

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like a cup of broth

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where you can’t separate the good portion

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just as Jesus’ blood (that extinguishes our old laws-legalism/pretensions)

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can’t be separated from Jesus’ water (God’s holy spirit)  —

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so that the spearer at the Cross was drenched

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— that of Christ.

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pain and despair  —

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we who suffer interminably 

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amid our contemporary crises of meaning —

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and excessive self-absorption.  

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Jungian scholars posit that inside every human heart is a personal picture of the divine, be it a personal God or an uninvolved pantheistic entity.

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The Fall of Man by Lucas Cranach, a 16th-century German depiction of Eden, with the tree of life (left) and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life_(biblical)

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The   Ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament tree of life  literally means “wood of  life.”        The Grecian option overlooked by historians is that the tree of life is the prefiguration (foretell — relationship of Old Testament to New Testament) of Jesus  — the tree of life is Jesus  — wood simply is carved — as in the Cross — as the way to Jesus (crucified in Christ).   I thank seminarian scholar Daniel Tavares for this exemplification.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life_(biblical)#Western_Christianity
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Leading theologian Augustine 400 AD of the early period (prior to Aquinas — Augustine was an ardent understudy of Grecian Plato) said that spiritual interpretation of Genesis does not rob Biblical narrative of its reality (City of God). 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fountain#Themes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fountain#Plot_summary

 

The Fountain‘s theme of fear of death is “a movement from darkness into light,  from black to white”  that traces the journey of a man scared of death and moving toward it. The film begins with a paraphrase of Genesis 3:24, the Biblical passage that reflects the The Fall of Man. Hugh Jackman emphasized the importance of the Fall in the film: “The moment Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, humans started to experience life as we all experience it now, which is life and death, poor and wealthy, pain and pleasure, good and evil. We live in a world of duality. Husband, wife, we relate everything. And much of our lives are spent not wanting to die, be poor, experience pain. It’s what the movie’s about.”   Director Aronofsky also interpreted the story of Genesis as the definition of mortality for humanity. He inquired of the Fall, “If they had drank from the Tree of Life [instead of the Tree of Knowledge] what would have separated them from their maker? So what makes us human is actually death.  It’s what makes us special.”

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Aronofsky said of The Fountain‘s intricacy and underlying message, “[The film is] very much like a Rubik’s Cube, where you can solve it in several different ways, but ultimately there’s only one solution at the end”   — “ultimately the film is about coming to terms with your own death.”

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The film begins with a quotation from the Book of Job: “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the Earth?… When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

A mysterious, wavering light, resembling a flame, flickers in the darkness. Mrs. O’Brien recalls a lesson taught to her that people must choose to follow either the path of grace or the path of nature. In the 1960s, she receives a telegram informing her of the death of her son, R.L., aged nineteen. Mr. O’Brien is notified by telephone while at an airport. The family is thrown into turmoil.

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From the darkness the universe is born, the Milky Way and then the solar system form while voice-overs ask existential questions. On the newly formed Earth, volcanoes erupt and microbes begin to form and replicate. Sea life is born, then plants on land, then dinosaurs.[6] In a symbolic first act of compassion, a dinosaur chooses not to eat a weakened creature that is lying on the side of a river bed. An asteroid tumbles through space and strikes the Earth.

In a sprawling neighborhood in Waco, Texas live the O’Briens. The young couple is enthralled by their new baby Jack and, later, his two brothers. When Jack reaches adolescence, he is faced with the conflict of accepting the way of grace or nature, as embodied by each of his parents. Mrs. O’Brien (grace) is gentle, nurturing, and authoritative, presenting the world to her children as a place of wonder. Mr. O’Brien (nature) is strict and authoritarian, and easily loses his temper as he struggles to reconcile his love for his sons with wanting to prepare them for a world he sees as corrupt and exploitative. He laments his decision to become an engineer instead of pursuing his passion for music. He tries to get ahead by filing patents for various inventions.

Jack’s perceptions of the world begin to change after one of his friends drowns at the pool and another of his friends is burned in a house fire. He becomes angry at his father for his bullying behavior and begins to keep a running tally of Mr. O’Brien’s various hypocrisies and misdeeds, lashing out at his mother for tolerating such abusive behavior.

One summer, Mr. O’Brien takes a long business trip. While he is away, the boys enjoy unfettered access to their mother, and Jack experiences the first twinges of rebelliousness. Goaded by other boys his age, Jack commits acts of vandalism and animal abuse. He later trespasses into a neighbor’s house and steals her sheer nightgown. Jack is confused and angered by his feelings of sexuality and guilty trespass. He throws the stolen lingerie into a river to rid himself of it. Mr. O’Brien returns home from his unsuccessful business trip. Shortly thereafter, the plant that he works at closes and he is given the option of relocating to work in a thankless position within the firm or losing his job. He and his family pack up to move to the new job location. He laments the course his life has taken, questioning whether he has been a good enough person. He asks Jack for forgiveness for his harsh treatment of him.

In the present, adult Jack leaves work. Riding the elevator up, he experiences a vision of following a young girl across rocky terrain. Jack tentatively walks through a wooden door frame erected on the rocks and sees a view of the far distant future in which the sun expands into a red giant, engulfing the earth and then shrinking into a feeble white dwarf. Someone says “follow me” in the darkness, which is ended by the lighting of two candles. After emerging from rustic doors, Jack follows the girl and then a young version of himself across surreal landscapes. On a sandbar, Jack sees images of death and the dead returning to life. He is reunited with his family and all the people who populate his memory. His father is happy to see him. He encounters his dead brother, whom he brings to his parents. Accompanied by a woman in white and her younger self, Mrs. O’Brien looks to the sky and whispers, “I give him to you. I give you my son.”

Jack’s vision ends and he leaves the building smiling.

The mysterious wavering light continues to flicker in the darkness.

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to rescue us.   Here, Jesus catches a socially repugnant

Cliff Livermore in Jesus’ hands  —

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as we all fall into the abyss, so to speak.   No science

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Best regards,      (Pali’s copy reader)

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Intuitive pastor (revelation on the mystery of God)  Robert Gomes is of the New 2nd  Covenant.

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Remember when Pali’s great editor chortled lovingly that Simon Peter likeness Pali  (I substitute Cliff here for Pali)

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As both Robert Gomes evokes  — the tree of life as the wood of life is the Cross in which we are crucified in Jesus as a new creation.

The   Ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament tree of life  literally means “wood of  life.”

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I never forget the Book of Esther (4:14).     Mordecai reminds Esther:   If you’re not willing or able to be used for good by God, God will pick someone else who shall do God’s work.   I thank nurturant Lester Chun for summoning Esther.

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Cliff Livermore asks Jesus to heal people.  Cliff does not have any power to heal.    Still,  I’m not going to ease into a chair & be useless to all around me.   I try to make a difference for the better, instead of my not lifting a finger to comfort another.  I help Cliff.  I’m available.

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 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-c-crosby-dmin/the-three-nails-in-christs-cross_b_2980159.html

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It seems that God is asking humanity to live inside of a cosmic humility, as God also does. In that holding pattern, we bear the ambiguity, the inconsistencies, and the brokenness of all things (which might be called love), instead of insisting on dividing reality into the supposed good guys and the certain bad guys as our dualistic mind loves to imagine.

Such non-dual consciousness is our ultimate act of solidarity with humanity and even the doorway to wisdom. With this mind we realize, as Martin Luther wisely put it, we are simul justus et peccator, simultaneously both sinner and saint. Only the mind of God can hold these two together.

We read the story of humanity’s original sin in Genesis. There Yahweh says, “Don’t eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” (Gen. 2:17). Now why would that be a sin? It sounds like a good thing, doesn’t it? We were actually trained to think that way.

In the seminary we took serious courses on “moral theology” to help us rightly discern who was good and who was bad. Unfortunately, this usually only emboldened the very judgmental mind that Jesus warned us against (see Matthew 7:1-2). Some then thought that this was the whole meaning of Christianity—religion’s purpose was to monitor and police society in regard to its morals.

Religion became all about morality instead of being a result and corollary of Divine Encounter. As such, this was much more a search for control or righteousness than it was a search for truth, love, or God. It had to do with the ego’s need for certitude, superiority, and order.

Is that what Jesus came for? Jesus never said, “You must be right,” or much less, “You must be sure you are good and right.” Instead he said, “You must love one another.” His agenda is about growing in faith, hope, and love while always knowing that “God alone is good.”

I guess God knew that dualistic thinking would be the direction religion would take. So the Bible says right at the beginning, “Don’t do it!” The word of God is trying to keep us from religion’s constant temptation and failure—a demand for certitude, an undue need for perfect explanation, resolution, and answers, which is, by the way, the exact opposite of faith. Such dualistic thinking (preferring a false either/or to an always complex reality) tends to create arrogant and smug people instead of humble and loving people.

Too much “eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” might just be the major sin of all religion—especially Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The Bible’s first warning has consistently been ignored.

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Hey Cliff,  last night 4/24/2014  the most amazing thing happened –

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Narrative:  Brother Paul forgot his billfold with $100 of cash at our favorite 24 hr. eatery men’s bathroom.  Our restaurant had many customers that included gorgeous out-of -state hula dancers for our Merry Monarch festival & our local male gawkers.   I picked up Paul earlier from his home some 15 minutes away from the restaurant.   After Paul & I finished our discourse about the nature of Jesus’ miracles thru you  (your being raised from the dead/etc.), I took Paul home.  Just as I dropped off Paul at his home, Paul went into shock — Paul just remembered that Paul had forgotten his billfold at the restaurant. We quickly double-backed to the restaurant. The total time which elapsed was 30 minutes from when we left the restaurant to when we returned to the restaurant.   As I turned around my car in Paul’s driveway to return to the restaurant, Paul prayed aloud to Jesus to please safeguard Paul’s billfold. This was no show — Paul was in real agony. Paul isn’t rich like Donald Trump.   Lo & behold, as we pull into the restaurant parking lot, not one single vehicle is in the parking lot. Not one single customer is in the restaurant, and this is only 10 pm.  Paul frantically rushes into the men’s bathroom — and there, untouched — is Paul’s billfold with its corpulent cash for our standards. Amazing, just amazing.

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Before Paul forgot his billfold in the bathroom, Paul & I had just finished discussing my advocacy for you based on my belief in Jesus’ power of your miracles!! As expected, but to Paul’s credit — Paul’s mouth was a-gape when I told Paul that I believe in your miracles (esp. your being raised from the dead).  Again, Paul was in disbelief that I believe in Jesus’ miracles thru you.  Then I told Paul that if Paul & Pastor Emma  had listened to & investigated long enough in your testimony — it’s evident you don’t brag about yourself — instead, all you do is praise Jesus to no end. This distinguishes you from the banal usual P.I. Pastor Apollo  type of absurd, demented, lunatic, manic narcissist. Paul could not believe that I believe in your miracles. He remained open-mouthed in shock & listened to my testimony about you & my belief in Jesus’ miracles thru you. And then, incredulously, Paul said that Paul wants to go where-ever I go to worship (probably for ultra-brilliant thinker Paul & Paul’s incredibly beautiful original song/voice compositions correctly to share the Gospel with others & to save lost souls/battalions of society’s forsaken outcasts) .  As you know, Paul’s plate will be full. It’s too bad Paul didn’t chasten to discourse with you.

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 #1 The WHOLE Scriptures—as we have them from the originals, both Old & New Covenants—are the GOD-breathed Words to us (2 Tim.3:16-17, Greek.).   Personally, one of the greatest honors of my life was to be asked to read the whole N.T. on tape.

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 #2  Therefore Paul was guided by the Spirit to write I Cor.2:9-15, i.e., we can only be properly enlightened & instructed by the HOLY SPIRIT, to know God’s “mind” re: His Whole Counsel. (And such enlightenment does not come by the natural, fallen reasoning of man.)

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#3 One of my “favorite” verses to use with non-Xns is John 7:17—I feel here the Lord Jesus sets forth a governing principle: “if any person is WILLING to DO HIS Will, he shall know the teaching….” (If I remember correctly, chapters & verses were inserted in the N.T. at about 1275—i.e., they are not in the original Greek). So one “rule of thumb” is, always a) when you refer to a verse, look at the verses surrounding it; b) then look at the chapter; then c)…at the book; then d)…at the whole N.T.; then e)…the whole Bible! (I.e., we must “view” a subject in the light—the context—of all of God’s Written Word, and trust the Holy Spirit to feed us & enlighten us).

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So dear brothers and sisters, if you & I go by these facts & “rules,”  I do believe God will show us His over-all counsel regarding His Eternal Purpose (Economy); and if we’re willing, we will go on together in HIS ONENESS.

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 I am almost 83 (born-again since 13 yrs. of age), & I always try to stay OPEN & FRESH to the I AM; never “locked-in” on a particular doctrine, but always solid in The Faith (I “love” Acts 18:24-28; & of course Jude 3).

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Don Hardy’s cogent observation to a peer disciple of Jesus   — Dear Tom:” GOD has “ANOTHER  EXPLANATION”!!!

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I told you that HE “told” me the ROOT of your (present & past) situation(s):

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1) Before your salvation experience (& even afterward), you may have done “some OUTWARD sins” (BUT br. U hav I Jno.1:7-9, if U only believe)

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#2) In your early desire to “follow the Lord” you ALLOWED (notice I said, “…allowed”–you weren’t forced or “tortured” to decide), you allowed yourself to be DUPED by “well-meaning” elders, etc. of a LC!!

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This was because of IGNORANCE of What God tells us to do or not do, from His Word (i.e. Rev.2:2b; I Jno.4, etc.).

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I am really sad that YOU ALLOWED yourself to have (accept) these happenings. * BUT, the “BIG” problem I feel God has manifested to me, is “…an EVIL heart of UNBELIEF..” (Heb.3:12).

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This may sound “harsh” Dearest Br., but  JESUS says John 8:31-32 & 36!!! * You said you DECLARED Acts 26:18 & Colos.1:12-14, in the FIRST person OUT LOUD. * BUT…. Listen dear Br.: As Watchman Nee used to say: 1)FACTS, 2)FAITH, 3)FEELINGS (experience):

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EXP. FOLLOWS FACTS; and if you “want it NOW” (like U have wanted so many other things: i.e, wife, job, environmental peace, etc) I’m SORRY, GOD does not always “operate” THAT way!!  When the YP asked me in Brazil: “Br.Don How Does God Heal?” (And I have seen the Lord Jesus do many healings…YOU are NO “special” case dear brother) — I told him: “I have experienced Him doing it at least 4-5 ways.

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1) “Instant” ( I’ve seen term.cancer healed instantly, miraculously);

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2) Over time (often with specific “instructions” from Him);

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3) by Claiming His Word (promise, specifically to YOU) regardless of what you see (at present)(I’ve seen this happen at least 2-3X);

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4)By HIS “taking us home.”(passing-on) * DON’T TELL ME YOU ARE #4!! * I DO NOT Believe God desires that “just yet.”) * Let me define from GREEK, “an Evil heart of Unbelief”: the meaning here is, THE EVIL ONE is “BEHIND” YOUR heart–& because you accept His accusations or doubts–you result in UNBELIEF (HE is the one INSTIGATING this–from outside you–attacking your heart…inside).

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I KNOW Br.,”…because GOD told me so” about  you (PLUS I have been attacked by Evil forces, while praying for you)(so we are in a WARFARE br. BUT JESUS HAS ALREADY WON & is seated, and YOU are Seated WITH HIM: I could share oodles with you on this FACT).

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So, “bottom line” dear brother? THAT’S why I asked you to DECLARE OUTLOUD Acts & Colossns (You are telling “everyone” the FACT of your REALITY IN CHRIST & OF WHAT GOD HAS ALREADY DONE FOR/WITH/ YOU, ETC.).

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Now brother, I will “conclude” here with this: I believe you are going the SECOND way (over time often with “specific” instructions from God):

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God is not healing you “instantly” because HE wants you to LEARN LESSONS from Him.

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You say at one time you were “angry” with God, for you felt HE did not “answer” your prayers.

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BUT HE DID: You just did not see it.

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Always in God’s love, —   Br.Don

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Don Hardy’s entreaty to a huge fan of Don   —

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I REALLY appreciate your  discussions with me,  & I enjoy our fellowship.

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Curtis, I do not question the “nudging” of the Holy Spirit within me:

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“TOO OFTEN” He is like “a little dove!” If we are BUSY with “so much,” we often do not “hear” His “cooing” etc.

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So I feel HE is “telling me” to ASK you this (forgive if it “offends” you).

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1) Curtis, have you had “an encounter” with the LIVING LORD JESUS CHRIST? I have seen so many (honest & good) people simply TAKE GOD at HIS WORD (in Revelatn 3:20), that the Living Lord Jesus is “before your heart’s door”, & if YOU BELIEVE His Word (Romans 10:9-10 & 13), and INVITED Him IN “To TAKE OVER” your WHOLE being, you believe me, HE WILL DO SO! (& it’s ALL by FAITH Curtis: ie, taking God at His Word & believing Jesus Christ is ALIVE, before you & “knocking” to come in!!)

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2) AS you DO THIS, He ENTERS you as The NEW CREATION LIFE in you: a) GOD says, Your WHOLE Past is FORGIVEN, FORGOTTEN (in His sight), CLEANSED AWAY; and b) You have a NEW BEGINNING WITH HIM. I did this (invited Him into me) when I was 13! I did not KNOW hardly anything what was happening; but found-out quickly that OTHERS could PLAINLY SEE that I was “NEW!” * No-one PERSONNALY helped (disciple) me for almost 2 years; but GOD LED me in a SOVEREIGN way (that is “another” amazing account). When I was turning 16, a Marine helped me in “how” to KNOW God’s Word; and I’ve been THOROUGHLY ENJOYING His LIVING Word for over 68 years now. “I WOULDN’T TRADE THIS REALITY FOR ANYTHING” Curtis!!!

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PS: I have lived “by faith” in the matter of $$finances, “never” asking or “hinting” for $$ (Matt.6:33), and God has well-taken-care-of me for over 65 years.

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Curtis I KNOW Jesus Christ is LIVING & PRESENT, for I have seen Him guide, supply & heal, etc. (…many times, “on-the-spot”).

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I am PRAYING for you Dearest Friend. Don Hardy

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 Curtis when I was a young (24) “missionary” in Singapore, God “gave me” LOTS of young people who believed in the Living Lord Jesus. But I feel led to tell U this: some of their Buddhist parents (& Hindus’), said: “You may go to that man’s Bible Gatherings; you may even ‘believe in Jesus’, BUT we will NOT ‘allow’ you to be BAPTIZED!!” That’s when God “showed me” that Baptism (which outwardly seems a “ritual”), was an IMPORTANT OUTWARD SIGN of an INWARD REALITY of you experiencing Jesus Christ personally! Just felt to share that with you Curtis (enclosed are some PICS) Don H PSS: the 2nd pic is of a FARMER in CUBA who received the Lord Jesus & asked us to come to his farm & remove all idols & curses from him & his farm (…that’s the burning U see: YP burning fetishes, etc.) DH   (photos did not transfer to this article)

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Don Hardy’s testimony to another fan of Don    —

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1 of 2 books I read recently is an exhaustive on the Jewish people, nation, & their history both Scripturally & historically, called Rosh HaShanah & Messianic Kingdom.  I also have a very-close brother/friend/ (Billy Graham) who is one of the ones responsible for very big gatherings of Xns & Jews/ etc.,–who has sung for “presidents,” including prim-min. of Israel. He is very well versed in Judaism & Judiastic causes. Brother, I do not remember “how much” personal history I shared with you, but to me it is “wonderful” to hear how GOD “got-ahold” of now-Christian brothers & sisters (i.e., their TESTIMONIES). I was raised in a divorced home (having no memory of father, until meeting him at 7yrs.old). There was NO love displayed in the upbringing, so I was “very rowdy” at 8-12. Approaching 13, my step-Dad–discharged from the Navy after WW2–made our home in Linda Vista, a new suburb of San Diego. It was a school-teacher who first prayed for my salvation; and at 13, I encountered the Lord Jesus for the first time (from “raw heathenism”)! At a Summer Conf. in mountains, God “gave” me–at 16–ACTS 13:22; whereupon I asked Him to “make me a man after YOUR OWN heart…No matter what You have to do…!” (HE SURELY has been doing this for over 65 years). I feel that David had mostly on his heart, 1)”A Dwelling-Place for God” & 2)The Coming of The Messiah. We now know, with the fulfilling of the New Covenant, WE (Xns) are God’s Dwelling-Place, both personally & corporately. #2)I also see that The Lord Jesus Christ is the CENTER & CIRCUMFERENCE of the whole Bible, even all history & on “into eternity.” The PRACTICAL outworking of the Reality is a life-time “process,”  first in revelation, then Life & “practice.” THIS is what I desire to fellowship together about (i.e., the fulfilling of John 3:29-30; 17:3 & 19-23, etc.). Br.Don PS: to me this is the MOST VITAL thing for US on earth today.

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The  ascension of Lord Jesus unites the whole universe    —

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https://books.google.com/books?id=QP3RCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA86&lpg=PA86&dq=christ’s+ascension+unites+the+universe&source=bl&ots=GcK1lSVcDW&sig=dKcutDUWR6t70iKstVJaXlGjce0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_MK18YXNAhUL52MKHdivCyQQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=christ’s%20ascension%20unites%20the%20universe&f=false

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https://books.google.com/books?id=kRXzaw6AJ_4C&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=christ’s+ascension+unites+the+universe&source=bl&ots=01feuwoSp6&sig=XXYHT6cKmM7CKM-nGHqfAJyUNsg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_MK18YXNAhUL52MKHdivCyQQ6AEIITAB#v=onepage&q=christ’s%20ascension%20unites%20the%20universe&f=false

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https://books.google.com/books?id=vMxQg8wx-uAC&pg=PA537&lpg=PA537&dq=christ’s+ascension+unites+the+universe&source=bl&ots=fQcA-BLQdW&sig=5SJgUIL58ysVIHVtyD9BJ7MeVss&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_MK18YXNAhUL52MKHdivCyQQ6AEIJjAD#v=onepage&q=christ’s%20ascension%20unites%20the%20universe&f=false

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